I have been at a city wide revival this week. Tonight was the last night. I'm still working on The Fall post. Maybe I'll get it done tomarow.
A question was asked tonight. A simple question. An obvious question. I wish I would have thought of it. Here it is.
How can you get lost from somebody who said they would never leave you nor forsake you and that they would be with you always?
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Hello there,
"How can you get lost from somebody who said they would never leave you nor forsake you and that they would be with you always?"
Interesting question you have here. In this case, there are two people involve, one of the person said that he will be the other person always. If that is the case and it is taken into heart then the only way that can make that statement false is the other person and all will only be possible in your hand, and take it seriously.
Also, it has nothing to do with what the other person can do or give. it depends upon you. You can get lost from that someone if you yourself hid from that person even though the other person will never leave you but you can same goes with forsaken that person can be with you always and will only be true if you let it be.
There is only one Person can keep His Word precisely TRUE. The Word of Jesus Christ. Only the fact that God cannot lie, it is His nature always to speak the truth, and that no circumstances can ever occur in which He will depart from it, and the truth is the foundation of all our hopes of salvation.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
God bless you.
If a man said this who is prone to lie and cheat and fail you will most certainly be lost.
If it was the Lord God Almighty who can not lie and can not fail then it is an impossibility for this to happen. For no-one can snatch you out of the Fathers/Jesus hands.
NOT EVEN YOURSELF
Here is a dream that John Newton (Amazing Grace) had relating to this.
Michael, this promise, "I will never leave you nor forsake you," was given to believers. We cannot be lost from God if we are true believers.
The preacher who posed this question put it out there to make us think. He let it hang awhile as he went on. Eventually he came back to the answer.
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:35-39).
I think the reason it struck such a cord with me is I know people who think they can lose their salvation. I intend to ask them this question.
I have heard that same verse quoted and the moment they finish they add this sentence
"But you can seperate yourself from Christ"
How do you see this?
I see it as a lack of understanding or a misunderstanding of grace.
When I first got saved I didn't imediatly quit drinking and drugging. As a matter of fact, I got a divorce and got alot worse. Was I saved? I believe I was. Was I out of God's will for my life? I believe I was that too.
I believe this....that a person who is saved that keeps leading the life before being saved has to do everything twice as hard for half the enjoyment. If this is not the case then the Holy Spirit is not working on that person and they are not saved.
I believe we can seperate ourselves from God's will but God will only let us go so far before He either changes everything so all we have is Him (hitting bottom) or He will simply call us home if we have strayed so far that we begin taking others out of His will.
An insecure salvation leaves no room for salvation at all. How many thing must I do right to keep saved? If I looked at that girl sinfuly and then crossed the street, was hit by a car, and died, was I saved or not? I was in sin! Was it enough sin to remove my salvation? What if I was just really mad and ran off at the mouth. I got so mad I had a heart attack and died? Am I doomed to hell? There's to many what if's in an insecure salvation. Exactly what sin seperates a person from God? What must I do to seperated myself? Which sin does it? God says all sins are the same. Would I have to ask around and follow some direction to get out from under a God of Love's grace? God is not a God of confusion. Do you think that Jesus will ask you on judgment day, "Were you saved when you died?". What would an insecure person answer? "Ummmmmm...I don't know, I mean I tried real hard."
An insecure salvation is no salvation.
I enjoyed your answer here Michael
Michael,
Same here. I enjoyed reading your honest answer.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
I love reading and hearing a testimony from my co-christian.
God bless you.
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